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Fixing Patriot Imbalance
Suggestion:
Right now, Patriots are heavily focused only on one side, and that is primarily because they've been owned by the players for years now (which is okay). The only issue I have is the other side is deprived of the Patriots and are therefore outmatched most of the times.
My suggestion is simple, fix the Patriot imbalance by either of the two ideas:
1) Patriot Rentals - This can either be a business or direct, the specifics can be decided on.
How would this work? The idea I have in mind is simple. Fleaders can enable the perk which would allow them to rent Patriots. The enabling itself can cost around 1k fpoints per day. Note, access =/ renting patriots. Renting patriots would require $$$, the fpoints would only grant access to the business. The cost can be decided on by the management.
2) Outright buying Patriots in the faction by fpoints -
How would this work? Faction leaders can buy factionized Patriots by a good chunk of fpoints (20,000 for example).
Who benefits:
The mass majority of the server which does not have access to Patriots.
Who is hurt:
Patriots owners, who would see a decline of value of their Patriots.
Comments (33)
I understand the concern behind this suggestion, and I agree that the current Patriot situation creates an imbalance — especially for factions or players who don't have access to them and are consistently outmatched in wars and turfs.
That said, I think we need to be very careful with how we approach this, because Patriots aren't just "vehicles" — they're assets. People have spent years, billions of in-game money, and real-world time building collections or securing them. A sudden move that crashes their value would hurt the very player base the server depends on.
If i should choose one of the option i will choose option 1 with some differences:
This way:
Correction: "Rental itself costs real in-game money (e.g., 5–10M per Patriot per use) "
Errata corrige:
Rental itself costs real in-game money (e.g., 5–10M per Patriot per use) — high enough that buying still makes sense long-term, but low
In my opinion you cant just punish patriot owners like this just because they are made more money and bought a patriot while you couldnt.
I think the idea to buff the vehicle armor perk is way better. (200% instead of 150% and with increasing the cost of the perk)
its not about the patriot really, its about the hp. And this way patriot owners would still have advantage while others can have a chance against patriots.
This is a idea for balancing the fights. My idea is meant to solve the problem of vehicle availability. If we combine the two things ( greater access to Patriots (through rentals) and an upgraded armor perk for normal vehicles ) we give everyone the tools to fight, without taking away the tactical advantage from those who own a Patriot.
This is not a punishment; it is an action that the server management must take. Boosting faction perks is another option, but what about players who have factionized their Patriot? The perk would increase the Patriot’s HP to 500, which is clearly unfair since the Patriot cannot be bought anywhere.
Its number does not increase. You can only purchase it from players who obtained it 12 years ago. With the current economy, it is literally impossible for new players to reach 5–6 billion and buy a Patriot in order to factionize it.
Because of this, new players cannot compete with players who have been playing since 2010 or 2014.
Patriots must become accessible and purchasable again. For example:
Factions should be able to purchase them using FPoints.However, it is meaningless to set the FPoint cost to 50–60k. It can be limited the number of Patriots that can be factionized or obtained via FStock to only 3. A more reasonable approach would be to set the first one at 10k FPoints and increase the cost by 5k for each additional one.
Example of how it would work:
1st Patriot → 10k FPoints
2nd Patriot → 15k FPoints
3rd Patriot → 20k FPoints
This would be a much more balanced and reasonable system.
good suggestion just scrap the rentals part
The specifics can always be debated. Primary idea is to make Patriots more accessible to the masses, and not have it locked behind maybe 6 players (?) and billions of $.
@Kit - if you were to ask my opinion, I'd probably want a mix of option 1 and option 2.
Option 2 should maybe be more progressive like upgrading member slots. First Patriot costing 50k fpoints, second patriot costing 100k fpoints and so on.
Five years ago, Ruvik owned three drug lab businesses and kept all kinds of drugs to himself. Lucenzo Verducci owned the car bomb business and “rented” his businesses for millions. These two unique businesses would have easily cost 10–15 billion each, maybe even more during the peak IMRP period. However, after players suggested changes on the forums, the management team added access to businesses via FPoints, which caused their value and price to hit rock bottom.
What I’m trying to say is that Ruvik and Lucenzo couldn’t do anything about the update because it was necessary to balance the server. New players or gangs who want to run/start official can’t compete with players who have been playing here for more than 15 years. Take Maldodanos as an example — they would have to play 10 years just to buy a Patriot.
I believe this suggestion will bring more balance to the server economy, at least for new players.Patriots should be purchasable via FPoints, but the number should be limited to a maximum of two or three per faction.
There’s no way to buy patriot nowdays to be honest, cuz of it I agree with you
This is a great idea.
Good idea
There are auctions, not an issue if your "side" is broke.
Just buy patriot then, no?
Big NO, patriot won't have a value anymore, people didnt wast 5b 4b just to see everyone having the same vehicle 2 days later with only 20k fpts
Imagine RWT'ing for patriots, what a shameful thing to do, @GA..
Kaan Sacco, what a beautiful comment.
i fully Agree with what kaan sacco said.
Yoo guys can we make also factions rental? Everything that doesn't work for people who are used to do wh runs they always complain.
Very good idea.
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This was a huge problem for the community, especially for new players who can’t afford 5–6 billion for a Patriot or even find a seller even if they “grinded” for the money.
Another problem that I think is related to this unrealistic Patriot price is that there’s no good way to make money other than gambling.
Replying to the anonymous comment above:
There's been what, two Patriot auctions? Right now, we have 5 official illegal factions and at-least 3 unofficial illegal factions. Your argument does not make any sense.
There have been 2 lately, plus there are a lot of patriots on the server.
Just because they aren't on your side doesn't mean you need to create new rules, put some effort into getting money/bringing valuable people to your side, not DM players from other servers levels 10 max that draining your money.
Bottom line, this is your problem.
You can always buy it from auction or from players plenty of ppl are selling already
Patriots do not need to be accessible to masses, they're rare for a reason. Like I said, if you don't have a patriot, that's fully on you and only you. Grind the money, wait for auction or buy from people.
Some facts by sum anonymous beast of italy mafia streets
2 patriot's deleted, 5 more spawned in :D
Replying to the guy who is talking about RWT. It's already been handled and old news, come back to present.
Patriots do not need to be accessible to masses, they're rare for a reason. Like I said, if you don't have a patriot, that's fully on you and only you. Grind the money, wait for auction or buy from people.
If some faction / allies don’t have patriot or can’t afford it maybe that means something? Patriot and money = power.
It's not about being able to afford it — the problem is the supply. The demand is high, but there is almost no supply at all.
Five or six years ago, Ruvik had tons of heroin because he owned all three drug labs and kept the production for himself. He was offered millions just to rent the labs by Dupekeys, but he refused.
The situation was similar with the bomb business. Lucenzo was also offered millions, but he refused as well. These businesses were extremely valuable — they would probably have been worth 15–20 billion each during IMRP’s peak.
Ruvik also spent a lot of real-life money to obtain those businesses, so he controlled the supply. Nevertheless, it created a huge imbalance in the server economy.
The same situation is happening with Patriot right now. If nobody wants to sell it, then there is simply no way to obtain it, no matter how much money you have.
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